Discouragement is an inevitable part of the Christian life, and in ministry, it can take many forms. Often, it’s accompanied by questions about calling, or about whether or not you’re serving in the right place. Finding clarity in a cloud of uncertainty can be painful and disorienting.

On this episode of the podcast, Jared Wilson and Ronnie Martin talk about their own experiences of discouragement, about the need for vulnerability and safe community, and about how holding a sense of calling loosely is essential to being able to respond to God’s call throughout your years of ministry.

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Executive Produced by Mike Cosper

Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie

Theme song: "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella