​​Pastors can't stop talking about this recent article by Melissa Florer-Bixler, Raleigh Mennonite Church and the chair of L'Arche North Carolina. Nearly half of pastors under 45 have considered leaving ministry in the past year, along with much of the rest of the workforce—a phenomenon which seems to be unique to the U.S., for various reasons.

Since Jamie conducted research on pastors who stayed in their communities after Hurricane Katrina, Kent sat down with the two of them to ask:

  • What is the 'Great Resignation,' and why are pastors joining it?

  • How do church communities survive disasters—from hurricanes to pandemics?

  • Not all pastors are leaving ministry or retiring; for those who are staying, what is giving them strength?


Why Pastors are Joining the Great Recession by Melissa Florer-Bixler

How to Have an Enemy: Righteous Anger and the Work of Peace” by Melissa Florer-Bixler

Has the Pandemic Made Your Pastor Want to Quit? Probably. by Christa Cordova

Four Keys for Church Leaders Surviving the Tension of Unprecedented Times by Aubrey Sampson and Brian From

Melissa’s website

"On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

This episode produced by Laura Finch

Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance

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